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css versus tables
 css vs tables: round I. 
    1. benefits to css
    2. is full css faster
    3. Return on
    4. Long Run
    5. w3c standards
are useless
    6. structure
and content
 css vs tables round II. 
    7. point:
        tables are for
       tabular data...

     counter point:
       yes, but tables
       make up

    8. Hey Stupid
    9. Bandwidth Savings
    10. accessibility and
     $4000 wheelchair
    11. Spend Time
    12. Captured
CSS Flagship
    13. Selling your
    14. May work well
    15. Standards
Merry Go Round
    16. Extremists
    HEY Stupid! I have taken this very page your are reading, stripped it of the <table> tags and replaced them with <div> tags and it went from 51kB to 31kB.
  1. First, they forget that this particular page isn't really a page connected to a DATABASE, hence it doesn't use tabular data.

    Nevertheless, if you take a close look at their resulting CSS only page of their page, it doesn't include all those CSS workarounds, and those additional workarounds for those workarounds to get it all the buttons to be in the right position or the border or lines. And that just for a single browser IE. They forget that this page using tables looks pretty much the same in Mozilla, Netscape, Safari, Opera.

    They also forget to add in the additional CSS page weight to their 31k, and that's not including the original CSS page they have to add. This can jump easily to 41k and that's without the workarounds that need to added for it to look the same.

    So by the time they got everything to look exactly like this page it will end up being about the same size anyway!

    Yep, let's do the R.O.I. and see if one can really pay less for bandwidth. ISP's give you so much bandwidth per month anyway. Very few sites use more than 10-20% of the maximum monthly bandwidth allocation. And most of these CSS elitist web designer's websites hardly get any web traffic anyway! Plus, they don't even have a lot pages to view in the first place

    This is possibly because they don't have anything worth storing and organizing in a database, nor the skills or desire to work with a database. How ironic isn't it? These same CSS elitists find the time to criticize those who don't use pure CSS for their web pages as those unwilling to learn a new tool, yet come right back around and are not willing to learn the database and programming stuff that makes the most treasured and valued content of high traffic websites.

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